What is the Goth Industrial Scene & Music?

This debate has been around way too long however most of us believe we know the answer. In the beginning there was Rock, metal, to alternative but in or beginning there was punk. Punk came around in the late 60's to 70's and is still around but all music evolves and changes but todays punks is nothing like the beginning but opened the doors to post punks and power pop. Back in the 80's punk opened the doors to a more artsy version of itself known as Goth Rock and Death Rock then came electronic Goth to what we call Industrial but its beginning is way more complicated. Way back during the industrial Revolution The Art of Noises (Italian: L'arte dei Rumori) was a Futurist manifesto, written by Luigi Russolo in a 1913 letter to friend and Futurist composer Francesco Balilla Pratella talked about the evolution of sound. He notes that the earliest "music" was very simplistic and was created with very simple instruments, and that many early civilizations considered the secrets of music sacred and reserved it for rites and rituals. Russolo compares the evolution of music to the multiplication of machinery, pointing out that our once desolate sound environment has become increasingly filled with the noise of machines, encouraging musicians to create a more "complicated polyphony" in order to provoke emotion and stir our sensibilities. He notes that music has been developing towards a more complicated polyphony by seeking greater variety in timbres and tone colors. Russolo explains how "musical sound is too limited in its variety of timbres." He breaks the timbres of an orchestra down into four basic categories: bowed instruments, metal winds, wood winds, and percussion. He says that we must "break out of this limited circle of sound and conquer the infinite variety of noise-sounds," and that technology would allow us to manipulate noises in ways that could not have been done with earlier instruments.

During the industrial revolution music was created with Industrial equipment and todays Industrial is nothing like the original industrial back in the 70s's or so with such bands as white house and throbbing gristle ect. Industrial music is a style of experimental music that draws on transgressive and provocative themes. Skinny puppy, Velvet Acid Christ, Ministry, Nine Inch nails (esp. Skinny Puppy and V.A.C.), and Kraftwerk as well as the velvet underground did a great job in adding to and updating Industrial music. Todays industrial however is a bit different and more pyrotechnics and club based (as is most of todays music including goth). Music always evolves and changes; it is unreal how many genres of music there are now. Goth and industrial both have several genres each as do all types of music. The scenes and communities themselves also change and evolve as everything does and there are several different types of Goths as well as punks and alternative people. This is also the same with religion just like politics. I have only known of the goth community since mid 1990's but have always been a goth as I believe it is more than just about the music. Most people believe goth music came before industrial but it actually came before goth music. Gothic music is generally dark, obscure, and melancholy; it is sometimes angst and in your face or can be personal but it is always anti-mainstream and unique Generally it is rock or metal but lately it has evolved to be more electronic and club based. Industrial is mostly upbeat, mechanical, and electronic but can also be metal or hard rock. Goth and industrial is often interwoven as in the community. Some members however stick to one of the genres but I prefer both; most Goths like several different types of music as the community is not just about music however I only like Goth and industrial with some exceptions such as 80s music but generally like all my music dark.

Rev. JP Vanir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Noises

~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music

Lonely world (Disconnected) January 14, 2013

Its a lonely world when you disconnected from everything...

All you see around you is memories of nothingness...

Its a dying world and I keep returning to it...

You never want to remember there is nothing in this place for you...

< Its a lonely world When your disconnected from everyone & everything...

When it all dies, everything lies, and it all eventually goes away...

Its a lonely world when you disconnected from everything...

Even in a crowd of people, even in the streets of the the city, even in a busy club I fell disconnected from everyone like I never belong In the world...

Cause its a lonely world when you don't belong here its a lonely everywhere when your this disconnected from everything and everyone...

Everyday and every night I wonder why I am here...

All this time I wonder why I keep returning...

When Its a lonely world when you disconnected from everything...

© Vampyrian JP Vanir

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The dilemma of being a Vegetarian and the sin of waste and Vampyrian Ethics July 24, 2012

The dilemma of being a Vegetarian and the sin of waste?

I consider myself a vegetarian as I choose not to eat meat of buys slaughters meat, fur, or leather for personal beliefs. However I am also a severe diabetic and my blood sugars are not under the best control so my Dr. wants to make sure I eat right so he subscribed me meals on wheels. The problem with this is they do not offer vegetarian meals and I am given meat on a daily basis; I could offer those meals to someone who is not as strict a vegetarian as me but I am supposed to eat the meal to keep my blood sugar levels under control and I do not have many people I talk to around here. Also waste is a major sin (the first sin) in my person belief system esp something that died in vain and wasting its death is disrespectful.

Also I love respect my mom as she is last relative I have left I have a close relationship with and she often cooks me healthy meals and even lets me take most of the leftovers home since we do not make lot of money. I feel it would be disrespectful to her to refuse to eat her home cooking and I have too big of a heart to hurt her as she is very sensitive. I suppose under certain circumstances such as these since I did not pay for the dead meat and support the death of the animal and wasting its death is worse of a sin in my belief I can make exceptions to my diet? Perhaps the same could be said when one goes to community meals and food pantries?

Vampyrian Ethics and list of major Sin’s

1. You should not WASTE or disregard (food - resources): A Vampyr should not waste what he is given or treat what he is given in a disrespectful manner. He or she should honor what they are given and give appreciation for it...

2. You should not murder with out a legitimate reason (like food): Killing is waste and a crime if not for food or punishment of murder...

3. You should not STEAL from KIN or family (stealing from others should be for necessities): Again stealing is against the law and is a violation of the place in which we reside...

4. You should not HARM KIN, Life Force Givers (Donors), or the innocent with out a legitimate reason: We must be respectful of those around us unless they first harm us...

5. You should not PUSH you beliefs or anything on others: We are all free to believe as we wish...

6. You should not HARM or Destroy nature with out a legitimate reason or the natural balance of life: We must respect the World we live in and respect the natural resources we are given...

***I am not recommending that we break the human laws as that would bring our community down and that is for the area in which you live legal system to do. We must respect this world in which we reside...

© Rev. J P Vanir

Myths to reality: Out of the Shadows into the Light? January 7, 2014

Myths to reality: Out of the Shadows into the Light?

Thanks mostly to the almost lost (no comment) movie Nosferatu Vampires have been seen as creatures which cannot survive in daylight and will be destroyed by the rays of sunlight. In many movies it is seen as light is good (pure) and dark is bad (evil) so light destroys darkness and those who dwell in it. It could also be said that it is thought sunlight kills vampires is because they are said to be the undead kept alive by fresh blood and sunlight increases the rate of decay on human flesh. But that is a much more detailed discussion perhaps. Ever since Nosferatu movies and shows have insisted Sunlight must kill vampire but not reanimated corpses (people call them Zombies whether they are or not really)? The original Dracula in the book was not killed by sunlight but that changed when they made Nosferatu (Which comes from the Greek word nosophoros - which means "plague-carrier" Not Vampire)

1. Supernatural Vampyre (Spirits, Gods, ect.)

Now lets compare that to the original Mythology in which they are active at night but they were not generally considered vulnerable to sunlight. It has also been said and I agree that Vampyres are nocturnal creatures and it is easier for them to hunt humans for blood at night when most are tired, it is harder for them to be seen, and they often feed on humans as they sleep to not be noticed as easily. They are said to be stronger or more powerful at night. I believe Vampyres are not natural creatures but supernatural but very much living creatures. As sunlight makes most humans, other animals, and plants wake up and have more energy during the day (energizes the natural world ect) it depletes the Vampyre Spirits energy slightly as they are not from the natural world but another plane of existence (the shadow realms) originally which is in the shadows/darkness and bothers there eyes...

2. The Vampyres in Human form

Most spirits (not Ghosts) from other realms can only exist in the natural world usually for a certain period of time (depending on there strength from feeding) unless they take over a body (possession) which is how a Vampyre human comes to be; a Vampyre Spirit enters a human unborn child before they are alive (through either reincarnation, misplacement, an astral sexual encounter ect) instead of a human soul (other kin). These humans grow up normal however they may awaken to recognize they are a Vampyre (awakening) but most often can not believe in such a thing and just think the have human issues. Most of the "Vampire community" also believes there Vampyrism is a human condition but this is my theory as well as many other Vampyres in the world. As we have a Vampyre Spirit piloting the Human vessel instead of a human soul we are controlled by the Vampyres need for more fuel as it is a stronger entity in a human body so they need to to eat food as well as fuel the Vampyre.

Being a Human Vampyrism it is more difficult to feed but often if they cannot be get food from a willing donor they well feed while they are asleep (astral) or the Vampyre will take left over energy when humans have more than they need or by letting it go though a glance, giving them attention, or a touch (The Vampyres natural allure could help here). However vampyres can often barely stay healthy that way depending on there environment so they may feed on themselves out of habit and may get sick. The human Vampyre often may drawn to the night and have issues with sunlight but very rarely will it be a major issue depending on how often they feed. It is not so easy getting a willing donation of Blood or a small bit of life force though most other energy sources may work almost as well.

3. Human Vampyre in the community

Vampyres are not permitted to feed on an unwilling donor not to mention jail is never a good choice if they know better and have integrity but most in the Vampyre Community do; if they drain an unwilling victim (which is very rare) they are black listed from the V.C. - So unlike in the supernatural Vampyres the Human Vampyre is nothing to be worried about and normally a rather very pleasant person (depending on moods and situations of course lol). Not all Vampyres are big on community but a lot have come out of the coffin (kidding) thanks to the internet but many of us are worried this may cause harm to our kin or ourselves so even more like to keep quiet about what we are for it is very likely they will be unfairly judged for something we can't help being born this way...

© Rev. JP Vampyrian

GODS and such FEEDING ON HUMANS Posted on on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fiction often has some facts in there some where. I remember when Buffy the Vampire Slayer was a popular series. It was of course mostly fake like all fiction; however there where a few things that have truth in it. One of my favorites was the season 5 as Glory: who is a Goddess in a human body and because of this she must feed on humans brains psychically. After she does this they go crazy. I believe this to be true and luckily there most known Vampyres would never attempt this because we are not as powerful as she was or as selfish and egotistical. That however is why I do not worship any Gods or Goddesses; when you do this the energy contained in your worship and adoration feeds them. I have written about this earlier and am sure I am not the first to come to this conclusion but it amazes me that that was brought up in the show...

© Vampyrian Rev. J P Vanir

Father or Mother: The real definition Posted on Friday, March 16, 2012

I have had it with the Vampire community’s use of the word Father or Mother to mean Fangsmith or dentist! I am sorry but a father - mother is a term given as respect to a person who is ordained as a Spiritual leader and/or one who has a Fatherly or Motherly mentality about them. Anyone can teach themselves to make fangs and I as well as my wife have done our own fangs when I wore them in the past (I still have the equipment). I do not consider myself a father because of that and neither does she use Mother because of that. We are both Spiritual leaders in the TempleUVUP and I have been ordained since July 4th of 2002; she also is ordained. I am a Theologian and have studied Spirituality for over a decade and performed several legal weddings in Ohio. I am sorry but I cannot refer to a fang smith (especially one who doesn’t even have a degree for dentistry) as a Father or Mother when that term has nothing to do with Teeth or making fake fangs.

© Vampyrian Rev. J P Vanir

TRANCE DANCE, Possession, and Why we must take energy: Posted on Friday, March 9, 2012

TRANCE DANCE , Energy, and Possession:

Music is a most powerful energy magnet and when it is being played it can evoke your spiritual essence given to all of us by the Gods and Spirits of the Spiritual Realm. If you are Human or do not know how to use this (control it) if can be used against you or can be used for you; depending on how you chose it to be used. The Gods can use this to put you in TRANCE and possess you or you can go into TRANCE entering the Spiritual Realm and you can see things to help you as well as guide you in you spiritual awakening. For many humans (as well as unaware Vampyres/Other Kin) the Gods and other Vampric Spirits use this to put there followers as others into TRANCE causing them to dance and use up large amounts of energy so they can feed from them. Humans can make very good energy sources as well as are very easily susceptible to control and manipulation by higher Spiritual entities if they allow it. Vampyres however can use music invoke energy and take it from those around them and reach a Spiritual TRANCE state to further awaken them in there Spiritual Awakening as well as evoke there Spirit guides...

Why we must take energy from others:

We are at a higher energy frequency than most we must take energy from others since we are Spiritual entities (Other Kin) in a human body (like possession but the Sprit goes into a human baby instead of a Human soul) and we are not from this realm. We have a hard time not taking from our human host which may cause us to become sick as well as possible break down our vital organs (heart, pancreas, lungs, liver, and such) if we do not take from others. I as well as others I have know have had there organs fail or die with out explanation so they assumed it was some unknown virus or something. Since we are both Vampyr as well as human we need food for the human body as well as Living Energy for the Vampyr...

© Vampyrian Rev. J P Vanir